Fun time

Kosanderi · Post by **Kosanderi** » 18 Dec 2007, 19:12

Krasavitsa wrote:We all know the AK is terrible for accuracy.

The reputation of AK's accuracy is terrible, the trigger in AK is terrible, iron sights of AK are terrible but the guns technical accuracy is at least decent. This of course meens that one uses decent ammo & not WOLF or some other crappy cartridges. I'm also refering to russian Izhmash AK's & not the POS chinese things or other more or less licenced manufactorers.

AK's aren't built to shoot as accurate as hunting rifles, but a good shooter could keep the groups in 1-2 MOA@100m-150m which is at least decent with any assault rifle.

Krasavitsa · Post by **Krasavitsa** » 18 Dec 2007, 16:47

Depends on the gun Snoop... I had the opportunity to shoot some big guns and the only way to shoot them was lying down or bolted to a telephone pole...

Kossi... I never said anything about hitting a target. We all know the AK is terrible for accuracy. Except in RvS where I can take just about all of u down with mine ^^ at distance even

Kosanderi · Post by **Kosanderi** » 18 Dec 2007, 08:56

I think that Krasa is right there - AK is easy to shoot, but hitting the target is another thing. A little while ago I had to ruin my day by shooting with a competition ready AR-15. Recoil(or the lack of it) was a joke. It kicked less than my 10/22. So if you want to go for a girly gun -> AR-15.

Some other nice guns to shoot are FAL & G3. you know you have fired something after you pull the trigger.

Snooooop · Post by **Snooooop** » 17 Dec 2007, 00:55

Krasavitsa wrote:. It's easy enough for a girl to handle

whats that supposed to mean???

oh and if you hafta lean on something or use some other type of prop, you definatly cant shoot.......

Kosanderi · Post by **Kosanderi** » 16 Dec 2007, 23:49

*|DTF|*Seti_Sniper wrote:@Kosa: what can i do to be forgiven

When you get to Finland - come shoot with us..

*|DTF|*Seti_Sniper wrote:I have been shooting UIT since i was around 14.

Yeah, you know what they say - better late than never. Nah, I bought my first gun(.22lr) when I was 15. I still have it & still the same permit also. It also states one's profession there too - Occupation: Pupil.

Can't really get one of your own before that here since there is law against it(thnx to EU it's gonna be 18 soon). Pacifists - bah. Anyways before that I had shot mostly with air rifle/pistol. Since it was my neightbour who taught me to shoot I got to shoot also with his rifles. My first shot with cal. 12 shotgun was before I learned to read(ok I was 6 when learned how to read(no chance of misinterpretation there(If only someone could learn me how to write))...

Come to think of it I have never shot so little in my life than when I was in the army..

Heggis · Post by **Heggis** » 16 Dec 2007, 23:16

*|DTF|*Seti_Sniper wrote:@Heggis: 4-500grain.... either u big as hell or u just dont know where your shoulder are any more !!

What if I say both?

Naah... it's big bullets but they don't go so fast. Maximum I can get from my rifle is about 8000J but I have shot a 10000+ J round too. Usually the weight of the gun compensates a lot. 5,5kg gun doesn't recoil so fast. Sure it pushes you but it's not that violent.

Would you call this a big round? Hint:It's not a .308 Win

*|DTF|*Seti_Sniper · Post by *|DTF|*Seti_Sniper » 16 Dec 2007, 21:00

@Heggis: 4-500grain.... either u big as hell or u just dont know where your shoulder are any more !!

@Kosa: what can i do to be forgiven

about the UIT: well i didnt want to through around with "shortys" didnt know if u hunter/car shooter guys knew about UIT !
well I have been shooting UIT since i was around 14. Mostly 300 and 50m
but during winter i keep the skills up with some 10m air

Kosanderi · Post by **Kosanderi** » 16 Dec 2007, 17:24

*|DTF|*Seti_Sniper wrote:first sry kosa and heggis, i swapped u2 on the post !

This will never be forgotten nor will it ever be forgiven...

*|DTF|*Seti_Sniper wrote:No sry i am a range shooter going for the good fixed circle targets, and i only shoot the Olympic discipline's (on 10m 50m 300m)

We have a letter combination for that kind of shooting: UIT. I do that also a lot, since it's the only true way to learn how to shoot accurate. To me it isn't only about accuracy & standard ranges. Unknown distances & speed make it a lot more interesting & challenging. At least I think so. For example I have never seen the idea of benchrest. One doesn't have to hit the center, they almost bolt their guns to those tables & the winner isn't the best shooter, but the one who makes one's errors more the same everytime.

*|DTF|*Seti_Sniper wrote:I like to be in the cozy warm and change/rig my gear up under neath the hard rough so i dont get weet on the rainy days

I bring another set of clothes & an umbrella if it looks like rain.

Heggis · Post by **Heggis** » 16 Dec 2007, 16:51

*|DTF|*Seti_Sniper wrote: but hey Heggis, get a real riffle..... 260 phyyy

True, but no money to buy a 5000? rifle in .338 Lapua Magnum with S&B PMII 5-25x56 with P4Fine

Yeah that .260 has only 1200J @500m, won't pierce bodyarmor. Oh wait I have the accuracy to shoot headshots... muahahahaaa

Well it's not about the shooting in hunting. Think of it more like going hiking with heavy stick

You or me can't get any game anyway

Have to say spending 50 weeks in concrete-hell it's nice to go relax for few week in to Lapland

Ps. I do have a real rifle that uses proper bullets too. Not puny 1xx grains but 4xx-5xx grains

*|DTF|*Seti_Sniper · Post by *|DTF|*Seti_Sniper » 16 Dec 2007, 13:12

first sry kosa and heggis, i swapped u2 on the post ! i was ref to your post Kosa about the ammo stuff !

but hey Heggis, get a real riffle..... 260 phyyy

about the hunting !
I have never and will most probably never see the fun in going out in the woods and hunt down some stupid deer or whatever, and then carry it out from there !
No sry i am a range shooter going for the good fixed circle targets, and i only shoot the Olympic discipline's (on 10m 50m 300m)

I like to be in the cozy warm and change/rig my gear up under neath the hard rough so i dont get weet on the rainy days

about pictures

Kosanderi · Post by **Kosanderi** » 16 Dec 2007, 00:23

That's not the only thing I don't want you to touch...

Monty_BROz wrote:you people are weird !

What? Who's the Dane here? Shakespeare was right you know..

Heggis · Post by **Heggis** » 15 Dec 2007, 23:41

Krasavitsa wrote: And Kossi... ur talking for Heggis? When did u two start dating?? Did I miss something

I was at a parteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee so Kosi was filling in useless info for a while

Can admit though that I've been to the gunrange with Kosi few times... And he still doesnt like me toughing his optics

Krasavitsa · Post by **Krasavitsa** » 15 Dec 2007, 23:27

I should add about the hunting thing, no I don't go hunting anymore but my family does. Between my Dad and brothers they could talk all day long with u back-woods weirdos... Monty and I have more refined taste then that.

Heggis... ur right, but I sure love to tease u <3

And Kossi... ur talking for Heggis? When did u two start dating?? Did I miss something

Seti, Sweetie... I love those odd northerners. I have a little respect for them since the state I live in is usually as cold or colder then theirs in wintertime. But if we don't harass them, then they will think that there is something wrong and we don't love them anymore.

Snoop... I have shot my brother's AKs and they are fun. It's easy enough for a girl to handle and it's almost impossible to ruin. ( i should know

) But I tell u something scarier then that... one of my brothers made one and it works to boot! Now that is frightening.

Heggis · Post by **Heggis** » 15 Dec 2007, 23:09

Well my target rifle aint .308Win. Bought the gun used with a "broken" barrel (dent inside barrel) and bought a new-ish Hart barrel in .260 Remington

But ammo what I have gotten the best result in long range so far is 123gr Lapua Scenar Silver Jacket. With that my best group was little under 5cm @500 meters. I can live with that

Now I got a batch of 140gr Berger VLD coming and I hope I can get it going as well as that scenar. Or better. Those bullets I hopefully use in next summers sniping competition...

I just need better optics for it...

Oh yeah and that .260 is a superb caliber... can't find even ready brass from the shops for it

ps. She's just acting... she can't resist me or my pictures

Kosanderi · Post by **Kosanderi** » 15 Dec 2007, 22:59

Heggis shoots with .260 rem now days. Only thing he likes with those .308 win shells is that those can be made as .260 rem.

I shoot with .300 win mag(7.62x66,3) witch uses also .308 bullets. Lightest I like to use is 185 grain scenar. One can get it up to 950 m/s with decent pressures. Lately I've been using 220 Sierra HPBT with good results. Next one will be Berger VLD 190 grain. I also tried some Sako Hammerheads & they will be nice if I ever were to shoot a moose. I just might go for VLD 168 I think it was for a change. They come handy as varmint hunting with V0 ~ 1050m/s.

Since 900 m/s seems to be a limit that makes the barrel wear fast down I've been looking for heavier bullets...